What was the role, if any, that the post Roehm SA play in the Third Reich?
Also, what was Roehm's concept and objective that caused his downfall?
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Hello,
- post Roehm SA duties
since 1939 SA was involved into military preparation (vormilitarische ausbildung) and auxiliary of police (wehrmannschaft, Stadt und Landwacht)
Feldjagerkorps join Schupo and was the nucleous of the Motorized Gendarmerie
the SA remain always the mass organisation which serve in meetings of the party in Germany and occupied countries where SA units were set up to incorporate the pro german elements.
- Roehm fell (between others) for these reasons :
he wanted to continue the national revolution at a period where socialist ideas where supplanted by a more realistic vision of the III Reich in construction which required support of the capital (industrials) and the reaction (army)
he wanted to make of SA a Volk armee againt the volontee of most NS leaders (Goering, Himmler, Goebbels..) and of course the army.
- post Roehm SA duties
since 1939 SA was involved into military preparation (vormilitarische ausbildung) and auxiliary of police (wehrmannschaft, Stadt und Landwacht)
Feldjagerkorps join Schupo and was the nucleous of the Motorized Gendarmerie
the SA remain always the mass organisation which serve in meetings of the party in Germany and occupied countries where SA units were set up to incorporate the pro german elements.
- Roehm fell (between others) for these reasons :
he wanted to continue the national revolution at a period where socialist ideas where supplanted by a more realistic vision of the III Reich in construction which required support of the capital (industrials) and the reaction (army)
he wanted to make of SA a Volk armee againt the volontee of most NS leaders (Goering, Himmler, Goebbels..) and of course the army.
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Thank you I have offen wondered what happened to the men of the SA. Right now I am thinking "oh so that is the were they went!"sid guttridge wrote:Hi 2SSPDR,
SA men progressively got called up by the Wehrmacht as their age groups were mobilised. Near the end of the war, the residual SA men mostly got swept up in the Volkssturm.
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After the murder of Rohm and others by Hitler, the SA continued to exist but it was no longer an important force in Nazi Germany. Himler's SS took over many of its functions including garding Germany's growing system of Concentration Camps. Members of the SA did play a key role in the German war effort however:
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=3078
The SA did however cause too much trouble for the new regime and Röhm was forced to temporarily take a step back. He said in a speech to the diplomatic corps in Berlin "The Reichswehr is the sole armed force in the State", something quite different from his ideas to make a army of the SA: "You won't make a revolutionary army out of the old Prussian NCOs ... You only get the opportunity once to make something new and big and that'll help us lift the world off its hinges".
Early 1934 Röhm once again began to make plans to merge the SA with the Reichswehr to form a "people's army" and he also continued talking about a second revolution. The party leadership clearly did not approve of these ideas, not least due to the fact that Hitler needed the support of the Reichswehr.
Hitler and Röhm agreed 10 June 1934 that the SA would go on leave in July to let matters cool down. Meanwhile the enemies of the SA, both with in the party and Reichswehr continued to look for proof of a planned SA-revolt and demanded that Hitler act against Röhm. Hitler finally agreed and 30 June Röhm and his officers were arrested at Pension Hanselbauer in Bad Wiesee, Bavaria, by men from Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler.
Röhm was replaced as Stabchef by Viktor Lutze and soon other opponents of Hitler, or people who at one time had stood in their way was arrested or killed in what was known as the "Nacht der langen Messer" (Night of the Long Knives), see also a list of the victims. The SA leadership was purged of men seen as loyal to Röhm and everything reminding of those men were cleared from the SA-offices. Following these events the SS was separated from the SA and made an independent organisation, a reward for their services, as was the NSKK.
The SA was not disbanded following the purge, but did not have any real responsibilities until the war broke out. It was then made responsible for the military training before and after their military service and the SA-Wehrmannschaften was formed. They also provided personnel for the Heimatflak, Stadwacht, Landwacht and other non-military security forces.
In 1939 most of the elite SA-Standarte Feldherrnhalle was transferred into the Luftwaffe fallschirmjäger units and the rest into the 271. Infanterie-Regiment of the Heer.
Lutze was killed in a traffic accident 1 May 1943 and was succeeded by Wilhelm Schepmann in Aug. He began working to restore the morale within and the esteem of the SA. He managed to have units in the Heer (Panzerkorps Feldherrnhalle), Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe (Jagdgeschwader 6 Horst Wessel) given SA honour titles, and even a Waffen-SS division (18. SS Freiwilligen-Panzergrenadier-Division Horst Wessel). He also began cooperating with the SS, he stated "I will support the Waffen-SS just as much as any other part of the armed forces. The Waffen-SS has been heroic".
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=3088
SA-Standarte Feldherrnhalle
SA-Standarte Feldherrnhalle was formed 1935 and renamed Feldherrnhalle 1936. It was the elite unit of the SA and guarded important SA, state and party offices. Its headquarters were in Berlin and battalions of the unit were stationed in Berlin, Hannover, Hattingen, Krefeld, Munich, Ruhr, Stetten and Stuttgart.
It was one of the units that entered Austria Mar 1938 and it was placed under the control of the Wehrmacht Sep 1938.
In Feb 1939 most of it was transferred to the Luftwaffe (where it was incorporated into the fallschirmjäger-units) and the rest of it was made a part of Infanterie-Regiment 271.
For info on the fallschirmjager, see...
http://www.2worldwar2.com/fallschirmjager.htm[/i]
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=3078
The SA did however cause too much trouble for the new regime and Röhm was forced to temporarily take a step back. He said in a speech to the diplomatic corps in Berlin "The Reichswehr is the sole armed force in the State", something quite different from his ideas to make a army of the SA: "You won't make a revolutionary army out of the old Prussian NCOs ... You only get the opportunity once to make something new and big and that'll help us lift the world off its hinges".
Early 1934 Röhm once again began to make plans to merge the SA with the Reichswehr to form a "people's army" and he also continued talking about a second revolution. The party leadership clearly did not approve of these ideas, not least due to the fact that Hitler needed the support of the Reichswehr.
Hitler and Röhm agreed 10 June 1934 that the SA would go on leave in July to let matters cool down. Meanwhile the enemies of the SA, both with in the party and Reichswehr continued to look for proof of a planned SA-revolt and demanded that Hitler act against Röhm. Hitler finally agreed and 30 June Röhm and his officers were arrested at Pension Hanselbauer in Bad Wiesee, Bavaria, by men from Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler.
Röhm was replaced as Stabchef by Viktor Lutze and soon other opponents of Hitler, or people who at one time had stood in their way was arrested or killed in what was known as the "Nacht der langen Messer" (Night of the Long Knives), see also a list of the victims. The SA leadership was purged of men seen as loyal to Röhm and everything reminding of those men were cleared from the SA-offices. Following these events the SS was separated from the SA and made an independent organisation, a reward for their services, as was the NSKK.
The SA was not disbanded following the purge, but did not have any real responsibilities until the war broke out. It was then made responsible for the military training before and after their military service and the SA-Wehrmannschaften was formed. They also provided personnel for the Heimatflak, Stadwacht, Landwacht and other non-military security forces.
In 1939 most of the elite SA-Standarte Feldherrnhalle was transferred into the Luftwaffe fallschirmjäger units and the rest into the 271. Infanterie-Regiment of the Heer.
Lutze was killed in a traffic accident 1 May 1943 and was succeeded by Wilhelm Schepmann in Aug. He began working to restore the morale within and the esteem of the SA. He managed to have units in the Heer (Panzerkorps Feldherrnhalle), Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe (Jagdgeschwader 6 Horst Wessel) given SA honour titles, and even a Waffen-SS division (18. SS Freiwilligen-Panzergrenadier-Division Horst Wessel). He also began cooperating with the SS, he stated "I will support the Waffen-SS just as much as any other part of the armed forces. The Waffen-SS has been heroic".
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=3088
SA-Standarte Feldherrnhalle
SA-Standarte Feldherrnhalle was formed 1935 and renamed Feldherrnhalle 1936. It was the elite unit of the SA and guarded important SA, state and party offices. Its headquarters were in Berlin and battalions of the unit were stationed in Berlin, Hannover, Hattingen, Krefeld, Munich, Ruhr, Stetten and Stuttgart.
It was one of the units that entered Austria Mar 1938 and it was placed under the control of the Wehrmacht Sep 1938.
In Feb 1939 most of it was transferred to the Luftwaffe (where it was incorporated into the fallschirmjäger-units) and the rest of it was made a part of Infanterie-Regiment 271.
For info on the fallschirmjager, see...
http://www.2worldwar2.com/fallschirmjager.htm[/i]
In regards to 271. Infanterie-Regiment, you might want to read about it here....
http://www.feldgrau.com/InfDiv.php?ID=82
http://www.feldgrau.com/InfDiv.php?ID=82