God Bless the troops and may they swiftly topple Saddam Hussein, the darling of many Europeans on this forum.
The Liberation has commenced
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The Liberation has commenced
Soon the Iraqi people will be free from the murderous oppression of their mass murderer of a dictator. Hopefully this new democracy in the Middle East will spread and it's influence will be felt throughout the region.
God Bless the troops and may they swiftly topple Saddam Hussein, the darling of many Europeans on this forum.
God Bless the troops and may they swiftly topple Saddam Hussein, the darling of many Europeans on this forum.
Re: The Liberation has commenced
Almost anyone would be better then Saddam.D.W. wrote:Soon the Iraqi people will be free from the murderous oppression of their mass murderer of a dictator. Hopefully this new democracy in the Middle East will spread and it's influence will be felt throughout the region.
Re: The Liberation has commenced
Unless your name is Putin, Chirac or Schroeder. It seems these completely immoral types love doing business and have close economic ties with rogue regimes like Iraq.blackfire wrote:Almost anyone would be better then Saddam.D.W. wrote:Soon the Iraqi people will be free from the murderous oppression of their mass murderer of a dictator. Hopefully this new democracy in the Middle East will spread and it's influence will be felt throughout the region.
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heinz kling
Try taking on North Korea
Bush and his poodle Blair are just tough talking cowardly bully boys.
Sure, American didn't support Iraq with Weapons, especially not with WMD.
Sure, America has no economic interests in Iraqi oil, they are only there for the liberation of the people.
Sure, America will leave the Iraqi people on their own as soon as they can rule themselves.
Has anyone statisitcs on the usage of oil? I heard something but would like to check your sources first.
Sure, America has no economic interests in Iraqi oil, they are only there for the liberation of the people.
Sure, America will leave the Iraqi people on their own as soon as they can rule themselves.
Has anyone statisitcs on the usage of oil? I heard something but would like to check your sources first.
Wenn man nichts zu sagen hat, einfach mal die Fresse halten.
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heinz kling
Bush is a warmonger and puppet
He's dancing to the tunes of his jewish neo conservatives like Rumsfled, Wolfowitz, Perle, Frum, Fleischer...
Do you know that America is the biggest importer of Iraqi oil (US$5 billion a year)? That the Bush Administration has already awarded contracts exclusively to US companies for the rebuilding of Iraq (nice touch here, first you bomb all their infrastructure, then you pump their oil and use the oil money to pay Amermican companies for the rebuilding, whilst the country is ruled, first by a military administration under a retired Army general, then a civilian, no doubt, one of Bush's cronies and paymaters)? That one of the companies (Hallibutron) used to be run by Vice President Cheney and who is still one of the biggest shareholders? That the hawkish Wall Street Journal, the neo conservative mouthpiece (just look at the names of its reporters and editros) already ventured the opinion that under international law, the US has all rights to dispose of the natural resources of Iraq as it sees fit to pay for its UNINVITED invasion and occupation? That fellow warmonger the Brits are already complaining that their companies (BP., Shell) were locked out by their American competitors in the scramble for Iraqi oil?
That despite all the bullying, bribes, threats, and spying ( read the news that the EU found out today it was bugged by the Amis for years), no countries except the Britain would join the invasion? That even its sloest allies like Canada and Mexico refused to join the rape of Iraq?
Do you know that America is the biggest importer of Iraqi oil (US$5 billion a year)? That the Bush Administration has already awarded contracts exclusively to US companies for the rebuilding of Iraq (nice touch here, first you bomb all their infrastructure, then you pump their oil and use the oil money to pay Amermican companies for the rebuilding, whilst the country is ruled, first by a military administration under a retired Army general, then a civilian, no doubt, one of Bush's cronies and paymaters)? That one of the companies (Hallibutron) used to be run by Vice President Cheney and who is still one of the biggest shareholders? That the hawkish Wall Street Journal, the neo conservative mouthpiece (just look at the names of its reporters and editros) already ventured the opinion that under international law, the US has all rights to dispose of the natural resources of Iraq as it sees fit to pay for its UNINVITED invasion and occupation? That fellow warmonger the Brits are already complaining that their companies (BP., Shell) were locked out by their American competitors in the scramble for Iraqi oil?
That despite all the bullying, bribes, threats, and spying ( read the news that the EU found out today it was bugged by the Amis for years), no countries except the Britain would join the invasion? That even its sloest allies like Canada and Mexico refused to join the rape of Iraq?
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I can´t understand why the americans could believe that they are liberators.
I Spain we don´t want war, in spite of our president.
And i´m sure that america ONLY wants the Oil of Irak.
Nothing regardless with terrorism. Only Money, only Petroleum....
In some years, sure that America founds another country in wich they could test their weapons, sure that a very bad man is the goverment of this new country and sure that this country is rich on oil, diamonds, or something else. And then the Americans will be liberators again!!.... Sure.
Stop War NOW!!.
I Spain we don´t want war, in spite of our president.
And i´m sure that america ONLY wants the Oil of Irak.
Nothing regardless with terrorism. Only Money, only Petroleum....
In some years, sure that America founds another country in wich they could test their weapons, sure that a very bad man is the goverment of this new country and sure that this country is rich on oil, diamonds, or something else. And then the Americans will be liberators again!!.... Sure.
Stop War NOW!!.
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heinz kling
New York Times
Europe Union Finds Bugging of Offices of 5 Nations
By ELAINE SCIOLINO
ARIS, March 19 — The European Union has uncovered a bugging operation directed at 5 of its 15 member nations, the organization announced today.
Listening devices were found late last month in the offices of the French, German, British, Austrian and Spanish delegations in a headquarters building, officials said.
European officials said they had not determined who had placed the devices.
"This equipment, which is assumed to be of hostile intent, is currently being examined in order to determine whether it may have resulted in breaches of privacy or possible damage," said a statement by the European Union. "A full investigation is under way in cooperation with the member states involved."
The disclosure comes on the eve of a two-day meeting of the leaders of the union, which has been torn apart by differences over the apparently imminent American-led war against Iraq. The sprawling glass-and-marble Justus Lipsius building in central Brussels, where the listening devices were found, was inaugurated in 1995 and is used for summit meetings. It also houses the secretariat of the union's council of ministers.
The European Union had hoped to keep the bugging scandal secret, in order to complete its investigation quietly, but it was disclosed in today's issue of the French daily Le Figaro.
Word of the bugging comes at a time of extreme tension between some union nations — particularly France and Germany — and the United States. The Bush administration's decision to use force to disarm Iraq has been vehemently criticized by the French and German governments.
"At this point we cannot say who planted these bugs," said Cristina Gallach, a spokeswoman for Javier Solana, the union's high representative for foreign and security policy.
The devices were uncovered in a routine sweep by the union's security services. According to the statement, the union discovered an "anomaly in an internal telephone line" and detected the presence of "an unknown electronic device linked to the telephone system," adding, "A small number of similar devices were found immediately afterwards in other locations in the building."
This is the first time in the building's history that a spy operation has been uncovered, officials said. The devices could have been present for some time, perhaps years, they added.
No devices were found on the phones at the military wing, which is situated in the same building, Ms. Gallach said.
Ed Kemp, a spokesman at the American mission to the union, said the mission had "received no communication about the investigation" from the European Union.
In Washington, Richard A. Boucher, the State Department spokesman, said: "I wouldn't be in any position to talk about it in any case, whether it's true or false."
Early this month, the British newspaper The Observer reported that the United States was conducting a spy operation against United Nations Security Council delegations as part of a campaign to win votes for a resolution backing the use of force in Iraq. The reports could not be confirmed.
European officials reacted to today's disclosure with shock and anger. "The first thing I can do is to condemn this act," said Foreign Minister George Papandreou of Greece, which holds the six-month rotating presidency of the union.
He added that "to all those who feel that it is necessary to tap our phones, we say that Europe is a very transparent organization" and that they should not "go to such lengths to try to find out information." He vowed that "appropriate measures" would be taken against those responsible after the investigation.
In Paris, François Baroin, a member of Parliament and a spokesman for President Jacques Chirac's political party, said he was "surprised, very astonished and profoundly shocked" by the discovery. "Everything concerning illegal devices, everything concerning the surveillance of friendly countries is a pure and real scandal," he said in the National Assembly.
Georg Possanner, a spokesman for the Austrian delegation to the union, was quoted by the Austrian Press Agency as saying the bugging was a "totally professional operation."
A British delegation spokesman confirmed that its offices were among "about half a dozen" affected. "We are obviously very concerned about this," he said.
Two years ago, the European Parliament investigated reports that an American-led global spy network dubbed Echelon spied on Europe's business sector. American officials have not acknowledged that such a network exists and have said American agencies do not engage in industrial espionage.
By ELAINE SCIOLINO
ARIS, March 19 — The European Union has uncovered a bugging operation directed at 5 of its 15 member nations, the organization announced today.
Listening devices were found late last month in the offices of the French, German, British, Austrian and Spanish delegations in a headquarters building, officials said.
European officials said they had not determined who had placed the devices.
"This equipment, which is assumed to be of hostile intent, is currently being examined in order to determine whether it may have resulted in breaches of privacy or possible damage," said a statement by the European Union. "A full investigation is under way in cooperation with the member states involved."
The disclosure comes on the eve of a two-day meeting of the leaders of the union, which has been torn apart by differences over the apparently imminent American-led war against Iraq. The sprawling glass-and-marble Justus Lipsius building in central Brussels, where the listening devices were found, was inaugurated in 1995 and is used for summit meetings. It also houses the secretariat of the union's council of ministers.
The European Union had hoped to keep the bugging scandal secret, in order to complete its investigation quietly, but it was disclosed in today's issue of the French daily Le Figaro.
Word of the bugging comes at a time of extreme tension between some union nations — particularly France and Germany — and the United States. The Bush administration's decision to use force to disarm Iraq has been vehemently criticized by the French and German governments.
"At this point we cannot say who planted these bugs," said Cristina Gallach, a spokeswoman for Javier Solana, the union's high representative for foreign and security policy.
The devices were uncovered in a routine sweep by the union's security services. According to the statement, the union discovered an "anomaly in an internal telephone line" and detected the presence of "an unknown electronic device linked to the telephone system," adding, "A small number of similar devices were found immediately afterwards in other locations in the building."
This is the first time in the building's history that a spy operation has been uncovered, officials said. The devices could have been present for some time, perhaps years, they added.
No devices were found on the phones at the military wing, which is situated in the same building, Ms. Gallach said.
Ed Kemp, a spokesman at the American mission to the union, said the mission had "received no communication about the investigation" from the European Union.
In Washington, Richard A. Boucher, the State Department spokesman, said: "I wouldn't be in any position to talk about it in any case, whether it's true or false."
Early this month, the British newspaper The Observer reported that the United States was conducting a spy operation against United Nations Security Council delegations as part of a campaign to win votes for a resolution backing the use of force in Iraq. The reports could not be confirmed.
European officials reacted to today's disclosure with shock and anger. "The first thing I can do is to condemn this act," said Foreign Minister George Papandreou of Greece, which holds the six-month rotating presidency of the union.
He added that "to all those who feel that it is necessary to tap our phones, we say that Europe is a very transparent organization" and that they should not "go to such lengths to try to find out information." He vowed that "appropriate measures" would be taken against those responsible after the investigation.
In Paris, François Baroin, a member of Parliament and a spokesman for President Jacques Chirac's political party, said he was "surprised, very astonished and profoundly shocked" by the discovery. "Everything concerning illegal devices, everything concerning the surveillance of friendly countries is a pure and real scandal," he said in the National Assembly.
Georg Possanner, a spokesman for the Austrian delegation to the union, was quoted by the Austrian Press Agency as saying the bugging was a "totally professional operation."
A British delegation spokesman confirmed that its offices were among "about half a dozen" affected. "We are obviously very concerned about this," he said.
Two years ago, the European Parliament investigated reports that an American-led global spy network dubbed Echelon spied on Europe's business sector. American officials have not acknowledged that such a network exists and have said American agencies do not engage in industrial espionage.
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Tolga, unfortunately you are right. In every war since man walked on two legs, innocent people have been killed. In the US anyway, troops are trained to do their utmost to minimize civilian casualties. That's the best you can do! Of course, it's easier when the opponent deploys his forces away from civilians, but what can I say?
Mike, who was the prez then???
Mike, who was the prez then???
Baltasar asked:
[all data expressed in units of 1,000 barrels/day]
USA 18,548 (26.1% of world consumption)
Japan 5,171 (7.3% of world consumption)
China 4,665 (6.5% of world consumption)
Frmr SU 3,930 (5.5% of world consumption)
Germany 2,723 (3.8% of world consumption)
South Korea 2,023 (2.8% of world consumption)
France 1,990 (2.8% of world consumption)
India 1,982 (2.8% of world consumption)
Mexico 1,891 (2.7% of world consumption)
Brazil 1,887 (2.7% of world consumption
Total World Consumption 71,143
data from OPEC Annual Statistics Bulletin 2001 available online at http://www.opec.org
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Well, I took a glance at OPEC's website and found the following oil usage statistics for 2001. I've only listed the world's ten largest using states:Has anyone statisitcs on the usage of oil?
[all data expressed in units of 1,000 barrels/day]
USA 18,548 (26.1% of world consumption)
Japan 5,171 (7.3% of world consumption)
China 4,665 (6.5% of world consumption)
Frmr SU 3,930 (5.5% of world consumption)
Germany 2,723 (3.8% of world consumption)
South Korea 2,023 (2.8% of world consumption)
France 1,990 (2.8% of world consumption)
India 1,982 (2.8% of world consumption)
Mexico 1,891 (2.7% of world consumption)
Brazil 1,887 (2.7% of world consumption
Total World Consumption 71,143
data from OPEC Annual Statistics Bulletin 2001 available online at http://www.opec.org
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