on 3 May 1945 about twenty (or thirty?) German little ships sailed from Pola and surrendered at Ancona crossing the Adriatic sea.
May someone tell me what ships and their fate after the war?
Sincerely EC
German last Adriatic ships surrendering at Ancona, 3 May 194
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German last Adriatic ships surrendering at Ancona, 3 May 194
Hello Gentlemen,
on 3 May 1945 about twenty (or thirty?) German little ships sailed from Pola and surrendered at Ancona crossing the Adriatic sea.
May someone tell me what ships and their fate after the war?
Sincerely EC
on 3 May 1945 about twenty (or thirty?) German little ships sailed from Pola and surrendered at Ancona crossing the Adriatic sea.
May someone tell me what ships and their fate after the war?
Sincerely EC
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German schnellboote S-151 and S-152 were there. These were former Dutch boats, and I would be very interested to know what happened to them!
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Enrico,
"Dog Boats at War" describes the surrender of the seven E-boats at Ancona on 3 May. The commander, a Kpt Wupperman, asked to return to Pola to collect more troops who wished to surrender to the British rather than the partisans, but permission was denied. The British boats 635, 651 and 670 headed north to intercept a convoy reported as 20+ F-Lighters with tugs, E-boats and other small craft. They arrived at Tagliamento where they saw a large number of ships in and around the harbor. The British SO, Lt Cdr T.J. Bligh, came in with a white flag to negotiate a German surrender. Some of the German vessels chose to scuttle, but the next day a convoy of "5 F-Lighters and 12 other small craft" with 500 prisoners left for Ancona, escorted by the three British boats and five more that had arrived the night before as reinforcements. Bligh received the OBE for his action.
"Dog Boats at War" describes the surrender of the seven E-boats at Ancona on 3 May. The commander, a Kpt Wupperman, asked to return to Pola to collect more troops who wished to surrender to the British rather than the partisans, but permission was denied. The British boats 635, 651 and 670 headed north to intercept a convoy reported as 20+ F-Lighters with tugs, E-boats and other small craft. They arrived at Tagliamento where they saw a large number of ships in and around the harbor. The British SO, Lt Cdr T.J. Bligh, came in with a white flag to negotiate a German surrender. Some of the German vessels chose to scuttle, but the next day a convoy of "5 F-Lighters and 12 other small craft" with 500 prisoners left for Ancona, escorted by the three British boats and five more that had arrived the night before as reinforcements. Bligh received the OBE for his action.
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I have a great picture showing two of the S-151 boats and what I believe is S-61 right after they surrendered. Send me an e-mail and I can send it to you.
In the picture, you can see that both Dutch "Maxchens" have a MG151 15mm triple mount midships and a twin 20mm aft. The other boat is VERY interesting as she has a field modified armored bridge with an extension in the back. Due to this feature and some visible bow damage I am reasonably sure it is the S-61 as she had a larger "command" bridge and was involved in a collision shortly before the end of the war. She also has the MG151 midships and a 37mm aft. Thsi is the only shot I have ever fiound of Adriatic S-boats in theior late war configuration and it shows a lot of detail.
This photo helped me make both of my 1/600 scale models of these boats. It can also be found in Classic Warships Pictorial #15 " German Schnellboot" on page 65.
In the picture, you can see that both Dutch "Maxchens" have a MG151 15mm triple mount midships and a twin 20mm aft. The other boat is VERY interesting as she has a field modified armored bridge with an extension in the back. Due to this feature and some visible bow damage I am reasonably sure it is the S-61 as she had a larger "command" bridge and was involved in a collision shortly before the end of the war. She also has the MG151 midships and a 37mm aft. Thsi is the only shot I have ever fiound of Adriatic S-boats in theior late war configuration and it shows a lot of detail.
This photo helped me make both of my 1/600 scale models of these boats. It can also be found in Classic Warships Pictorial #15 " German Schnellboot" on page 65.
Dave Gregory
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Hello Dave,
the largest problem in this thing is the record!
Starting from February 1945 there is to have from this area no war diaries in German archives and the German soldiers and agencies afterwards immediately imprisoned was taken, thus the last documents was destroyed and/or them the recordings in the camp removed before.
Into the British pt-boat books stupid-proves already often written 6 ships sinks 14 survivors saved.
1945 are not much better that. It are missing simply those completely reliably admits become ship names of the sunk German ships.
Assistance is only by British or documents of New Zealand possible, unfortunately does not get ahead I from Germany in this thing not.
Greet
Theo
Hallo Dave,
das größte Problem in dieser Sache ist die Aktenlage !
Ab Februar 1945 gibt es aus diesen Raum keine Kriegstagebücher in deutschen Archiven und die deutschen Soldaten und Dienststellen wurden ja anschließend sofort gefangen genommen wurden, haben also die letzten Schriftstücke vorher vernichtet bzw. wurden ihnen die Aufzeichnungen im Gefangenenlager abgenommen.
In den britischen S-Boot Büchern wird ja dummerweise schon oft geschrieben 6 Schiffe versenkt 14 Überlebende gerettet.
1945 ist das ja nicht viel besser. Es fehlen einfach die ganz sicher bekannt gewordenen Schiffsnamen der versenkten deutschen Schiffe.
Hilfe ist nur durch britische oder neuseeländische Akten möglich, leider komme ich von Deutschland aus in dieser Sache nicht weiter.
Grüße
Theo
the largest problem in this thing is the record!
Starting from February 1945 there is to have from this area no war diaries in German archives and the German soldiers and agencies afterwards immediately imprisoned was taken, thus the last documents was destroyed and/or them the recordings in the camp removed before.
Into the British pt-boat books stupid-proves already often written 6 ships sinks 14 survivors saved.
1945 are not much better that. It are missing simply those completely reliably admits become ship names of the sunk German ships.
Assistance is only by British or documents of New Zealand possible, unfortunately does not get ahead I from Germany in this thing not.
Greet
Theo
Hallo Dave,
das größte Problem in dieser Sache ist die Aktenlage !
Ab Februar 1945 gibt es aus diesen Raum keine Kriegstagebücher in deutschen Archiven und die deutschen Soldaten und Dienststellen wurden ja anschließend sofort gefangen genommen wurden, haben also die letzten Schriftstücke vorher vernichtet bzw. wurden ihnen die Aufzeichnungen im Gefangenenlager abgenommen.
In den britischen S-Boot Büchern wird ja dummerweise schon oft geschrieben 6 Schiffe versenkt 14 Überlebende gerettet.
1945 ist das ja nicht viel besser. Es fehlen einfach die ganz sicher bekannt gewordenen Schiffsnamen der versenkten deutschen Schiffe.
Hilfe ist nur durch britische oder neuseeländische Akten möglich, leider komme ich von Deutschland aus in dieser Sache nicht weiter.
Grüße
Theo