Polish offensive at the Bzura 1939 - Polish lost victory?

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Re: Polish offensive at the Bzura 1939 - Polish lost victory?

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Domen121 wrote:In fact more heavy guns (plus some light ones) were captured, but Knoll didn’t have full reports from the front about this. For example in the locality Gaj III./70 pp captured 2 horse-drawn guns (probably light or infantry) and in the forest near Gieczno and Sypin 12 guns calibre 15 cm were captured by the squadron of divisional cavalry supported by one company of TK tankettes. Both victories were achieved by units from 17 DP (not mentioned in the report).
Even more guns were captured and destroyed. Here something recent from Ebay.de:

Guns of 6th battery / Art.Rgt.30 captured and destroyed by III./57 pp (14 DP) near Janowice - Piatek:

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Photos are described as Nowy Gaj - Piatek, but in fact it was closer to Janowice (between Janowice and Nowy Gaj there is 1 village - Stawy). Captured guns are 10,5cm from 6./AR.30 and near Nowy Gaj there was 2./AR.66 (15cm).

Here the description of capturing these guns from the Forum Odkrywca, written by Gebhardt:

"Photos show guns of 6th battery of Art.Rgt.30 captured on their posts by III/57 pp from 14 DP.

Battalion was operating on the right wing of the regiment. After artillery preparation against recognized nests of enemy resistance, Polish assault started around 6 o'clock. Battalion captured Goslub after which it striked Janowice. During the first phase of combats German counteratack repulsed the Poles but the barrage of Polish artillery on Janowice softened German defensive positions enough that another Polish assault could capture the locality. III battalion started to chase the Germans towards the south, reaching its target - road Piatek-Leczyca. Exactly there it overran and captured the 6th battery of Art.Rgt.30 still located on its firing post.

The only thing which doesn't fit is "Nowy Gaj" in the description of this photo. There was in fact a German artllery unit near Nowy Gaj, but if believing sketches, it was 2nd battery of AR.66 (heavy artillery) and in the above photos we can see "light" guns. 2nd battery [of AR.66] was standing in the gap betwen Polish 14 DP and 17 DP thus it wasn't captured but managed to escape towards Stefanow. Positions of II/AR.30 to which the 6th battery belonged were located closer to Janowice and they were divided from Nowy Gaj by another village - Stawy. But in the end the road Piatek - Leczyca was also crossing Nowy Gaj so mistakes are very likely.

Source: PSZ w II WŚ [ http://www.odk.pl/polskie-sily-zbrojne- ... ,7242.html ]"
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Re: Polish offensive at the Bzura 1939 - Polish lost victory?

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Glyndower wrote:The law will side with the burglar unless you can prove you acted in self defence. My advice would be after beating the burglar senseless call the police then beat your self up put his fingerprints on the weapon and claim self defence.
I agree what his advice, you must claim that you did it for self defense.
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