Should Germany join the United States as a superpower?

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Re: Should Germany join the United States as a superpower?

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Regarding Mugabe - you need to do a LOT more reading. He's regarded as a pariah now by even his old friends in the OAU, let alone the Commonwealth.

Just noticed something else...
Phylo,the Commowealth,apart from the Indians,mostly white people from the British Isles.
Perhaps YOU had better take a look a the number of nations that make up the Commonwealth. I have a feeling anyone from Antigua&Barbuda, the Bahamas, Bangladesh, Barbados, Belize, Botswana, Brunei, Cameroon, Cyprus, Dominica, Gambia, Ghana, Grenada, Guyana, Jamaica, Kenya, Kiribati, Lesotho, Malawi, Malaysia, the Maldives, Mozambique (yes! ex-Portuguese, joined in 1995!) Namibia (1990), Nigeria, Pakistan, Papua New Guinea, St Kitts&Nevis, St Vincent, St Lucia, Samoa, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Singapore, the Solomon Islands, South Africa, Swaziland, Tanzania, Tonga, Trinidad&Tobago, Tuvalu, Uganda, Vanuatu and Zambia....

...would REALLY object to being described as "mostly white people from the British Isles" :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

P.S. Mugabe's Zimbabwe is no longer a member....
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Re: Should Germany join the United States as a superpower?

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Never heard of Kiribati.How many send athletes,and take membership seriously?I know that Mugabe got the boot,of course he's a pariah,he's totally unreasonable.But he's sometimes amusing to listen to.I'll have a look at the medal count.Seems Australia wins most of the medals,they have some kind of early selection of uber athletes going on.
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Re: Should Germany join the United States as a superpower?

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As far as I am aware, Comrade Mugabe hasn't been given the boot. He remains very much in charge of Zimbabwe. Mugabe does indeed come out with bizarre statements and they can be amusing if taken out of the context of the appalling realities of daily life in the country he has ruined. I suppose he is similar to GW Bush in that respect. Both of them are leaders who can proudly claim to have restored the banana to their respective republics.

Germany was a superpower, albeit it briefly, back in the 1940s. The experiment wasn't terribly successful because the Germans tended to behave like the Belgians when they were in the Congo, which isn't a good hearts-and-minds strategy as a general rule. Had they showed more magnanimity to the natives, the Thousand Year Reich might have lasted a bit longer than twelve years. Reinhard Heydrich was one of the few Nazi "viceroys" who understood this basic lesson of history. It was his increasing popularity with ordinary Czechoslovaks that got him murdered at the behest of the Czechoslovak government-in-exile. Had murdering Nazi governors and senior officers because of their brutality been a motivating factor, the SOE and other organisations would have been very busy indeed.

Don't get me wrong. I like Germans. But they had their chance as a superpower and they comprehensively messed it up. The EU is a losers' club as it is, run by losers for the benefit of losers, without encouraging the continent's most committed losers - current tally: two world wars and a world cup - to assume any kind of leadership rôle, especially ruled as they are by deeply illiberal former DDR communists like Merkel and her shadowy henchmen. You Americans like to bang on a lot about how you saved us all from Hitler but don't forget that the people of the British Isles, including a lot of volunteers from Ireland, stymied Hitler for over two years while you sat on the sidelines, charging us through the nose for all this "aid" you like to pretend you gave us. LOL!

We probably ought to have concluded a peace with Hitler and allowed him to pursue his neo-imperialist aims in the East. You guys could have stayed home making contingency plans for wars with Canada and deerhunting and all that stuff you like to do and we would still be keeping excitable natives in line, thereby ensuring that nobody had to take their shoes and socks off before getting on aeroplanes. We'd also be able to drive V8s around and keep our senior citizens from freezing to death in scantily heated houses without being mugged by the camel jockeys and our own oil companies, to say nothing of being guilt-tripped by staring-eyed eco-nazis. And we would not feel like strangers in our own lands because all those people would have stayed home, clapping hands and singing hymns with the missionaries and building infrastructures designed and funded by efficient British (and French) colonial administrations and enjoying a better standard of living and more security than their homegrown rulers ever gave them, before or after colonialism.

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Re: Should Germany join the United States as a superpower?

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Paddy, tell us how you really feel! :shock:
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Mugabe will stay till he dies.The east was not palatable,Paddy.I believe the real answer was to return Germany's african colonies.An official in Mussolini's government drew this up.Germany in gold,France in blue,Italy in red,Britain in the south,plus Egypt.

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Re: Should Germany join the United States as a superpower?

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I wouldn't suggest that Hitler's plans for an Eastern Empire were "palatable". However, the only difference between his brand of murderous neo-imperialism and those of other European countries, including Imperial Germany, was that the victims were either Caucasian or, at least, resembled Caucasians because of their light skin tones. This made the rest of us feel uncomfortable, ethnic cleansing being more palatable to the majority of whites when it involves dark or black people. To paraphrase Hitler's own remarks on the subject of genocide, who remembers what the Germans did in South-West Africa before the 1914-1918 War?
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Re: Should Germany join the United States as a superpower?

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On the most simplistic of reasons, I don't think Germany can ever be regarded as safe enough to be entrusted with the power and responsibilities of a "superpower" - a nation that was the agressor in TWO world wars, had quite few nationals hung in the glare of FULL publicity and jurisprudence for war crimes after the second, including one of the very worst genocides the world has ever seen...and THEN had several generations' of mandatory political education for their youth...only to have them behave as they did in Afghanistan. To ME that says the lessons have failed - and Germany isn't yet ready to be an international policeman.

HOWEVER - Germany should certainly - as ALL Western nations should - play a much greater role in its OWN defence. It's just a pity that like most of them, it can't afford it. But steppping OUTSIDE its own frontiers? No.

(Nor, actually, do I think the UK should be doing that either. Whether I like it or not - events over the last 60 years have shrunk down to our own shores again the area the British Government is responsible for.)
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Re: Should Germany join the United States as a superpower?

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Several European countries have adequate supplies of enemies within to keep their armed forces busy without any need to go looking for trouble in faraway lands. However, as these internal enemies begin with said countries' own ruling cliques and their backers, it is perhaps in their interests to keep increasingly angry and decreasingly naive soldiers at a distance. The ruling class of the European Union already did away with national service in order to prevent the populace from acquiring knowledge of military tactics, discipline and the use of arms. One of the advantages of superpower status is the ability to provide "bread and circuses" for the people on the proceeds of the revenue from all the countries one is quietly pillaging. In the case of the USA, it was shopping malls, fast food, big cars and enough money to feed the habit. In the USSR, it was state-subsidised vodka. Mind you, the USA adopted a variant of the Soviet booze strategy in feeding Class S drugs into African-American communities to keep them more or less occupied in manageable ways.

The Germans, on the other hand, believe in more robust approaches to awkward people-management problems but while the idea of killing people one does not really like en masse might be amusing enough over a beer with some friends, the Germans proved that getting rid of people terminally is not as easy as it sounds. However, history indicates that this might not stop them from trying again if they ever became sufficiently powerful. What we need, in Europe at any rate, is leadership with a pro-European bias and social services with a Scandanavian attitude to birth control. Eugenics worked very well in Scandanavian countries, as anyone who remembers Swedish aupairs can confirm, until The Ugly Mob managed to get these policies stopped, leading to a demonstrable degradation of the race.

We need government that incentivises indigenous people to make babies, even if it means installing a Lebensborn-style system. Cynics might say that we have one already, in the form of legions of single mothers pumping out babies in order to qualify for more social security and larger flats on the state but the majority of such women - and the feckless, itinerant types who impregnate them - are precisely not the kind of people who should be making babies. We need a comprehensive social re-education programme, turning our upwardly aspiring, superior quality people from obedient consumers, dancing to the moneybags' exotic tunes, into investors in their societies' future.

This means giving them a stable future in the form of domestic industries and jobs to go with them. This means getting men back to work. This means teaching women that maintaining homes and raising children is not a cop-out. It means teaching our men what being a man entails and teaching ourwomen what it means to be a women. It means government that ensures sufficient real, tangible prosperity so that families no longer need two salaries just to keep ahead of the moneybags' bailiffs.

The Germans had a fairly good blueprint for the foundations of such a society...but they completely and utterly messed it up by, amongst other things, engaging in an insane racial war against "the Jews", which led to the mass-murder of millions of people who had never posed any threat at all to Western values instead of focusing on the relatively small but very powerful clique of hereditary moneybags of various nationalities and religious persuasions who are consistently found at the root of all misery and mayhem in the world. No need for death camps and gas chambers to deal with these people. Juán Perón attempted to implement a similar social model in Argentina and found himself blockaded at the behest of the moneybags and moneymen of Wall Street and The City.

Times have moved on, of course, and the World is a more complicated place than it was in the 1930s and 1940s. But if we are to have a European superpower, it must be a coalition or confederation of North-Western European states, the people gulled into two fratricidal wars in the last century, and it must be run by a single political entity that has no fear of standing up to the Chinese, the Indians, the Russians and, yes, the Americans. If we must have religion, let it be a single, state-approved religion like Catholicism, which works much better in cohesion with robust leadership than Protestantism, as Mussolini and, more so, Franco showed. All other religions would be banned and their practitioners invited to convert or emigrate. That was very effective in Spain in 1492. This could even have the advantageous effect of ridding our society of the pernicious virus of anti-semitism.

You see, that is the fundamental difference between "us" and the Huns. The Huns decide to address a a socio-religious issue and we get one of the nastiest genocidal enterprises the world has seen. We would simply resolve it in a bureaucratic way. No, we can't have the Huns running things. But that is not to suggest that they didn't have some jolly good ideas back in the 1920s and 1930s, before the people they elected sold out the revolution to the very moneybags - Thyssen, Krupp etc etc - who should have dangling from lampposts and trees across the land in any self-respecting revolution...

Who started this thread anyway?

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Re: Should Germany join the United States as a superpower?

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of course, they cant expect to compete for superpower status when their military expeditions are more about consuming vast quantities of beer and bratwurst that fixing and killing the enemy
German soldiers are 'too fat to fight' Taliban because they drink so much (while our boys go dry)

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They drink too much and they're too fat to fight, that's the damning conclusion of German parliamentary reports into the country's 3,500 troops stationed in Afghanistan.

While British and U.S. troops in the country face a strict ban on alcohol, their German comrades are allowed two pints a day.

The stunning statistics reveal that in 2007 German forces in northern Afghanistan drank 1.7million pints of beer and 90,000 bottles of wine.

The troops also downed 896,000 pints of beer in the first six months of this year, the Times reported.



German soldiers prepare for a mission in Kabul. Last year Bundeswehr forces in northern Afghanistan drank 1.7million pints of beer and 90,000 bottles of wine
The statistics only add to the embarrassment of the country's federal army, Bundeswehr, after a report earlier this year found troops to be too fat, smoked too much and didn't exercise enough.

It showed they lived on beer and sausages while shunning fruit and vegetables.


The parliamentary report claimed that some 40 per cent of all German army personnel are overweight - a higher percentage than in the civilian population.

At the time Reinhold Robbe, the parliamentary commissioner for the armed forces, stated: 'Plainly put, the soldiers are too fat, exercise too little, and take little care of their diet.'

The Times also reported the damning allegation from a senior officer that Germany is failing in its main mission to train the Afghan police. He descibed the efforts as 'a miserable failure'.

Since 2001, 28 German soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan.

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Re: Should Germany join the United States as a superpower?

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On the happy note that a country other than the US is accused of being fat and out of shape, I think I will close this thread. It has drifted from its original purpose, and I think most of the relative points have been touched on.
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