Lord Dacre is dead.

Richard Murphy · Post by **Richard Murphy** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 11:45 am

Lord Dacre, better known as Hugh Trevor Roper, has died after a long battle with cancer;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2696001.stm

Sad news from the Park,

Rich

heinz kling · Post by **heinz kling** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 5:35 pm

He had done no original researches, was always drawing on and profiting from secondary sources, was given the Regius Professorship because of his freindship with MacMillan (the chair shopuld have gone to A.J.P. Taylor, arguably the best, if opiniated historian of his times), pretended to be a German expert yet speaking no German, and made a fool, and Oxford also, of himself in the Hitler Diaries fiasco.

Surely I am not going to miss his works.

Jez · Post by **Jez** » Mon Jan 27, 2003 9:53 am

Hey, Richard...

I dont think Mr Kling will be missing Lord Dacre 'from the Memel'!

Regards, Jez.

Richard Murphy · Post by **Richard Murphy** » Mon Jan 27, 2003 11:40 am

Jez,

I have to admit being a little bit taken aback by the vehemence of Mr. Kling's words!

Personally, though there have been better historians, I feel Prof. Trevor-Roper's works laid a great deal of the foundations that latter day experts have built upon.

One little note to do with the Last Days of Hitler. He mentions that von Below (H.'s Luftwaffe adjutant) was on a "secret mission" to bring a postscript of his will to Keitel during the final days of the war (Pages 222-226 of the 1965 Pan edition.). In his memoirs, von Below's tranlator notes that he was winding Trevor-Roper up, because of the way he had been treated after his capture!

Regards from the Park,

Rich

Sam H. · Post by **Sam H.** » Mon Jan 27, 2003 1:27 pm

Hienz,

Perhaps it is diffrent in Memel, but in most civilized society, it is not considered polite to speak ill of the recently deceased. Disrespect the man's work if you must, but consideration for his family's loss should also be expressed.

from the 'burgh.

Sam

heinz kling · Post by **heinz kling** » Mon Jan 27, 2003 5:34 pm

I am just not thrilled by his works, he's more a politician than a serious historian.

Richard Murphy · Post by **Richard Murphy** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 2:17 pm

heinz kling wrote:I am just not thrilled by his works, he's more a politician than a serious historian.

Care to back that up? How was he more political than military (I'll refrain from asking you to define what a "serious" historian is, for now.)?

Regards from the Park,

Rich

heinz kling · Post by **heinz kling** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 5:04 pm

Can you cite anything from HTR that breaks any ground?

Feldgrau.net

Lord Dacre is dead.

Lord Dacre is dead.

Was he missed at all?

No disrespect meant to the deceased

Re: No disrespect meant to the deceased

Well, self promoter is the word