"Poland has to insist on the fact that it cannot exist without Königsberg, without all of East Prussia. We have to demand in Locarno now, that all of East Prussia is terminated. [...] If that should not happen in a peaceful way, there will be a second Tannenberg."
(From the GAZETA GDANSK on 9th October 1925)
"We all know that a war between Poland and Germany cannot be prevented. We have to prepare systematically and thoroughly for this war. Todays generation will see that a new victory of Tannenberg will be written into the pages of history. But we will fight this Tannenberg in the outskirts of Berlin. Our aim is to to push Polands border westward to the Oder and to integrate all of Prussia into it up to the Spree. In this war no captives will be taken. There will be no place for humanitarian emotions. We will surprise the whole world with our war against Germany."
(From an 1930ties edition of MOCARSTWOWIEC, a magazine close to Pilsudski)
"Danzig must stay Polish, and Germany has to be forced to hand over East Prussia without its population to Poland."
(Weekly Magazine Narod W Walce on July 20th, 1939)
Origins of World War II
My....aren't the poles a peaceful and innocent folks!Kitsune wrote:"Poland has to insist on the fact that it cannot exist without Königsberg, without all of East Prussia. We have to demand in Locarno now, that all of East Prussia is terminated. [...] If that should not happen in a peaceful way, there will be a second Tannenberg."
(From the GAZETA GDANSK on 9th October 1925)
"We all know that a war between Poland and Germany cannot be prevented. We have to prepare systematically and thoroughly for this war. Todays generation will see that a new victory of Tannenberg will be written into the pages of history. But we will fight this Tannenberg in the outskirts of Berlin. Our aim is to to push Polands border westward to the Oder and to integrate all of Prussia into it up to the Spree. In this war no captives will be taken. There will be no place for humanitarian emotions. We will surprise the whole world with our war against Germany."
(From an 1930ties edition of MOCARSTWOWIEC, a magazine close to Pilsudski)
"Danzig must stay Polish, and Germany has to be forced to hand over East Prussia without its population to Poland."
(Weekly Magazine Narod W Walce on July 20th, 1939)
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Torquez
Kitsune-may ask for source of this revelation.And even if not lNazi fabrications-so what ? In all nations they are extermists but in Germany those extermists were leading and were supported by the nation, which wanted to wage war against Poland and destroy it, while Poland wanted peace.Not only that but Germany wanted to exterminate Poles, Jews alike.
No dodging, no lies, no Nazi fabrications, no Nazi lies which felt in love with will change that fact.
Neonazis like you can try with every effort to show Hitler as a peacemaker, and Germany as innocent country defending itself furhter and further into east but the truth is that is Germany that made WW2, that is Germany that murdered 12 milion people in death camps, that is Germany that builded gass chambers, that it is Germany that wanted to exterminate Jews and Slavs, it is Germany that destroyed my country and considered my countrymen menschentiere.
And no matter what you or your Neonazi friends will do and try-history won't be changed.
"(From the GAZETA GDANSK on 9th October 1925)"
Yawn...try your Nazi lies somewhere else Kitsune the title isn't in Polish even.
No dodging, no lies, no Nazi fabrications, no Nazi lies which felt in love with will change that fact.
Neonazis like you can try with every effort to show Hitler as a peacemaker, and Germany as innocent country defending itself furhter and further into east but the truth is that is Germany that made WW2, that is Germany that murdered 12 milion people in death camps, that is Germany that builded gass chambers, that it is Germany that wanted to exterminate Jews and Slavs, it is Germany that destroyed my country and considered my countrymen menschentiere.
And no matter what you or your Neonazi friends will do and try-history won't be changed.
"(From the GAZETA GDANSK on 9th October 1925)"
Yawn...try your Nazi lies somewhere else Kitsune the title isn't in Polish even.
We aren't.That is why German attempts to destroy have and will always fail, no matter how much Nazis want it otherwise.y....aren't the poles a peaceful and innocent folks!
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Here are shown actions of brave German knights defending their peacefull loving Germany against the barbaric hordes of Polish children and pregnant women:
http://www.warsawuprising.com/witness/atrocities4.htm
Record No. 63
I lived at No. 18, Dzialdowska Street, Wola. The Insurgents had built two barricades near our house, at the corner of Wolska and Gorczewska Streets, with the help of the inhabitants, including even children. Machine-guns, ammunition and grenades were (placed in the neighbouring house. On August 1 at 3 p.m. heavy fighting broke out in our district. The situation had been difficult from the beginning, all the more because the Volksdeutsche, who were numerous here, shot covertly at the Insurgents and betrayed their whereabouts to the Germans. Tiger tanks were brought up, houses were broken into, and many people were killed; our house was hit several times. The tanks attacked from Wolska and Gorczewska Streets. The Germans broke in; they dragged the men out and ordered them to demolish the barricades. They then began to set the houses on fire. I saw Nos. 35 and 8 in our street being set on fire; bottles of petrol were thrown into the flats without warning, and so it was impossible for the inhabitants to escape. I stayed in the cellar of No. 18 until August 5, when, between 11 and 12 noon, the Germans ordered all of us to get out, and marched us to Wolska Street. This march was carried out in dreadful haste and panic. My husband was absent, taking an active part in the Rising, and I was alone with my three children, aged 4, 6 and 12, and in the last month of pregnancy. I delayed my departure, hoping they would allow me to remain, and left the cellar at the very last moment. All the inhabitants of our house had already been escorted to the "Ursus" works in Wolska Street at the corner of Skierniewicka Street, and I too was ordered to go there. I went alone, accompanied only by my three children. It was difficult to pass, the road being full of wire, cable, remains of barricades, corpses, and rubble. Houses were burning on both sides of the street; I reached the "Ursus" work's with great difficulty. Shots, cries, supplications and groans could be heard from the factory yard. We had no doubt that this was a place for mass executions.
The people who stood at the entrance were led, no, pushed in, not all at once but in groups of 20. A boy of twelve, seeing the bodies of his parents and of his little brother through the half-open entrance door, fell in a fit and began to shriek. The Germans and Vlassov's men beat him and pushed him back, while he was endeavouring to get inside. He called for his father and his mother. We all knew what awaited us here; there was no possibility of escape or of buying one's life; there was a crowd of Germans, Ukrainians* (Vlassov's men), and cars. I came last and kept in the background, continuing to let the others pass, in the hope that they would not kill a pregnant woman, but I was driven in with the last lot. In the yard I saw heaps of corpses 3 feet high, in several places. The whole right and left side of the big yard (the first yard) was strewn with bodies. (A sketch of the yard was made by the deponent.) We were led through the second. There were about 20 people in our group, mostly children of 10 to 12. There were children without parents, and also a paralysed old woman whose son-in-law had been carrying her all the time on his back. At her side was her daughter with two children of 4 and 7. They were all killed. The old woman was literally killed on her son-in-law's back, and he along with her. We were called out in groups of four and led to the end of the second yard to a pile of bodies. When the four reached this point, the Germans shot them through the backs of their heads with revolvers. The victims fell on the heap, and others came. Seeing what was to be their fate, some attempted to escape; they cried, begged, and prayed for mercy. I was in the last group of four. I begged the Vlassov's men around me to save me and the children, and they asked if I had anything with which to buy my life. I had a large amount of gold with me and gave it them. They took it all and wanted to lead me away, but the German supervising the execution would not allow them to do so, and when I begged him to let me go he pushed me off, shouting "Quicker!" I fell when he pushed me. He also hit and pushed my elder boy, shouting "hurry up, you Polish bandit". Thus I came to the place of execution, in the last group of four, with my three children. I held my two younger children by one hand, and my elder boy by the other. The children were crying and praying. The elder boy, seeing the mass of bodies, cried out: "they are going to kill us" and called for his father. The first shot hit him, the second me; the next two killed the two younger children. I fell on my right side. The shot was not fatal. The bullet penetrated the back of my head from the right side and went out through my cheek. I spat out several teeth; I felt the left side of my body growing numb, but I was still conscious and saw everything that was going on around me.
I witnessed other executions, lying there among the dead. More groups of men were led in. I heard cries, supplications, moaning, and shots. The bodies of these men fell on me. I was covered by four bodies. Then I again saw a group of women and children; thus it went on with group after group until late in the evening. It was already quite, quite dark when the executions stopped. In the intervals between the shootings the murderers walked on the corpses, kicked them, and turned them over, finishing off those who still gave any sign of life, and stealing valuables. (They took a watch from my wrist, but I did not give any sign of life). They did not touch the bodies with their bare hands, but put rags round them. During these dreadful doings they sang and drank vodka. Near me, there lay a big, tall man of middle age in a brown leather coat. He was alive, I heard his death-rattle; they fired 5 shots at him before they killed him. During this shooting some shots wounded my feet. I lay quite numb for a long time in a pool of blood, the dead weighing on me. I was, however, conscious all the time and fully realized what was happening to me. Towards evening I succeeded in pushing away the corpses which lay over me. It is impossible to imagine how much blood there was all round.
Next day the executions ceased. The Germans broke in 2 or 3 times during the day. Now they had dogs with them. They walked and jumped on the corpses to see if any of the supposed dead were still alive. On the third day I felt the child move in my womb. The thought that I dare not kill this child made me look round to examine the situation and the possibilities of escape. Several times, when I tried to get up, I became sick and dizzy. At last I succeeded in crawling on all fours over the bodies of the dead towards the wall and looked round for a way of escape. I saw that the passage through the first yard which was there when we were being led to death was now blocked by a pile of corpses. German voices were heard from the street; I had to look for another way. I crawled into the third yard and found a hiding-place there in a hall where I got through an open window with the help of a ladder. I hid here, fearing the Germans might come to control the place, and spent the whole night here. That night was dreadful. A Tiger tank stood in the street firing continuously, and planes did not cease bombing. All the walls shook. I feared the factory with all the dead would take fire any moment. In the morning all was quiet. I climbed up to look through the window to see if there were any living people about and saw a woman. (As stated later it was another victim who had escaped death by some miracle. She also was an inhabitant of our house.) Then a man about 60 years old came crawling through the yard; he had also escaped death, but had lost one eye. They had both spent these two days in some hiding-place. We began to search the whole yard for some way out. After a long search and many attempts to get free, we at last found a hole on Skierniewicka Street and made our way out through it. The man, however, hearing the voices of Ukrainians* did not follow us. They were standing alt the corner of Wolska Street and did not see us. We went through the debris and rubble into the middle of the street. Then they saw us and surrounded us, though we begged them to allow us to get to a hospital, as we were wounded, which was obvious. We were soaked in blood. We were driven in the direction of Wola in a group with other passers-by, picking up still more on the way. At a certain spot the younger and older people in the group were separated. Young men and women were put on one side and then marched towards a house of execution. This was past Plocka Street in the direction of St. Stanislaus' Church. The remaining group (including myself and my companion) were driven to St. Stanislaus' Church. I saw heaps of corpses on the road and parts of bodies, and Poles carrying the bodies away under escort. German officers standing in front of the church laughed at us, and kicked and beat us. The church was overcrowded. People were being taken in and out. I was then so exhausted that they laid me with the other sick persons before the High Altar. There was no help. I only got a drop of water. After two days I was taken on a peasant's cart with the other sick and wounded to Pruszkow, and from there to Komorow, and then still further to Podkowa Lesna. It was only there, on August 11, that I got medical attention and help. On August 20 I gave birth to a little boy. I suppose I have lost, not only my three children, but also my husband, for he told me that he was going to stay in Warsaw to the end. I have no hope that he is still alive after all the dreadful things that happened.
The Germans were setting houses on fire; throwing people out; hunting and beating them. In the yard of the "Ursus" works people were shot by Vlassov's* men under the command of a German; they say he was from the SS. As far as I can judge, there must have been 5-7 thousand dead in the yard of this factory. About 200 people were driven there from our block alone, which had over 40 flats (with about 4 people in each), and all were killed.
http://www.warsawuprising.com/witness/atrocities4.htm
Record No. 63
I lived at No. 18, Dzialdowska Street, Wola. The Insurgents had built two barricades near our house, at the corner of Wolska and Gorczewska Streets, with the help of the inhabitants, including even children. Machine-guns, ammunition and grenades were (placed in the neighbouring house. On August 1 at 3 p.m. heavy fighting broke out in our district. The situation had been difficult from the beginning, all the more because the Volksdeutsche, who were numerous here, shot covertly at the Insurgents and betrayed their whereabouts to the Germans. Tiger tanks were brought up, houses were broken into, and many people were killed; our house was hit several times. The tanks attacked from Wolska and Gorczewska Streets. The Germans broke in; they dragged the men out and ordered them to demolish the barricades. They then began to set the houses on fire. I saw Nos. 35 and 8 in our street being set on fire; bottles of petrol were thrown into the flats without warning, and so it was impossible for the inhabitants to escape. I stayed in the cellar of No. 18 until August 5, when, between 11 and 12 noon, the Germans ordered all of us to get out, and marched us to Wolska Street. This march was carried out in dreadful haste and panic. My husband was absent, taking an active part in the Rising, and I was alone with my three children, aged 4, 6 and 12, and in the last month of pregnancy. I delayed my departure, hoping they would allow me to remain, and left the cellar at the very last moment. All the inhabitants of our house had already been escorted to the "Ursus" works in Wolska Street at the corner of Skierniewicka Street, and I too was ordered to go there. I went alone, accompanied only by my three children. It was difficult to pass, the road being full of wire, cable, remains of barricades, corpses, and rubble. Houses were burning on both sides of the street; I reached the "Ursus" work's with great difficulty. Shots, cries, supplications and groans could be heard from the factory yard. We had no doubt that this was a place for mass executions.
The people who stood at the entrance were led, no, pushed in, not all at once but in groups of 20. A boy of twelve, seeing the bodies of his parents and of his little brother through the half-open entrance door, fell in a fit and began to shriek. The Germans and Vlassov's men beat him and pushed him back, while he was endeavouring to get inside. He called for his father and his mother. We all knew what awaited us here; there was no possibility of escape or of buying one's life; there was a crowd of Germans, Ukrainians* (Vlassov's men), and cars. I came last and kept in the background, continuing to let the others pass, in the hope that they would not kill a pregnant woman, but I was driven in with the last lot. In the yard I saw heaps of corpses 3 feet high, in several places. The whole right and left side of the big yard (the first yard) was strewn with bodies. (A sketch of the yard was made by the deponent.) We were led through the second. There were about 20 people in our group, mostly children of 10 to 12. There were children without parents, and also a paralysed old woman whose son-in-law had been carrying her all the time on his back. At her side was her daughter with two children of 4 and 7. They were all killed. The old woman was literally killed on her son-in-law's back, and he along with her. We were called out in groups of four and led to the end of the second yard to a pile of bodies. When the four reached this point, the Germans shot them through the backs of their heads with revolvers. The victims fell on the heap, and others came. Seeing what was to be their fate, some attempted to escape; they cried, begged, and prayed for mercy. I was in the last group of four. I begged the Vlassov's men around me to save me and the children, and they asked if I had anything with which to buy my life. I had a large amount of gold with me and gave it them. They took it all and wanted to lead me away, but the German supervising the execution would not allow them to do so, and when I begged him to let me go he pushed me off, shouting "Quicker!" I fell when he pushed me. He also hit and pushed my elder boy, shouting "hurry up, you Polish bandit". Thus I came to the place of execution, in the last group of four, with my three children. I held my two younger children by one hand, and my elder boy by the other. The children were crying and praying. The elder boy, seeing the mass of bodies, cried out: "they are going to kill us" and called for his father. The first shot hit him, the second me; the next two killed the two younger children. I fell on my right side. The shot was not fatal. The bullet penetrated the back of my head from the right side and went out through my cheek. I spat out several teeth; I felt the left side of my body growing numb, but I was still conscious and saw everything that was going on around me.
I witnessed other executions, lying there among the dead. More groups of men were led in. I heard cries, supplications, moaning, and shots. The bodies of these men fell on me. I was covered by four bodies. Then I again saw a group of women and children; thus it went on with group after group until late in the evening. It was already quite, quite dark when the executions stopped. In the intervals between the shootings the murderers walked on the corpses, kicked them, and turned them over, finishing off those who still gave any sign of life, and stealing valuables. (They took a watch from my wrist, but I did not give any sign of life). They did not touch the bodies with their bare hands, but put rags round them. During these dreadful doings they sang and drank vodka. Near me, there lay a big, tall man of middle age in a brown leather coat. He was alive, I heard his death-rattle; they fired 5 shots at him before they killed him. During this shooting some shots wounded my feet. I lay quite numb for a long time in a pool of blood, the dead weighing on me. I was, however, conscious all the time and fully realized what was happening to me. Towards evening I succeeded in pushing away the corpses which lay over me. It is impossible to imagine how much blood there was all round.
Next day the executions ceased. The Germans broke in 2 or 3 times during the day. Now they had dogs with them. They walked and jumped on the corpses to see if any of the supposed dead were still alive. On the third day I felt the child move in my womb. The thought that I dare not kill this child made me look round to examine the situation and the possibilities of escape. Several times, when I tried to get up, I became sick and dizzy. At last I succeeded in crawling on all fours over the bodies of the dead towards the wall and looked round for a way of escape. I saw that the passage through the first yard which was there when we were being led to death was now blocked by a pile of corpses. German voices were heard from the street; I had to look for another way. I crawled into the third yard and found a hiding-place there in a hall where I got through an open window with the help of a ladder. I hid here, fearing the Germans might come to control the place, and spent the whole night here. That night was dreadful. A Tiger tank stood in the street firing continuously, and planes did not cease bombing. All the walls shook. I feared the factory with all the dead would take fire any moment. In the morning all was quiet. I climbed up to look through the window to see if there were any living people about and saw a woman. (As stated later it was another victim who had escaped death by some miracle. She also was an inhabitant of our house.) Then a man about 60 years old came crawling through the yard; he had also escaped death, but had lost one eye. They had both spent these two days in some hiding-place. We began to search the whole yard for some way out. After a long search and many attempts to get free, we at last found a hole on Skierniewicka Street and made our way out through it. The man, however, hearing the voices of Ukrainians* did not follow us. They were standing alt the corner of Wolska Street and did not see us. We went through the debris and rubble into the middle of the street. Then they saw us and surrounded us, though we begged them to allow us to get to a hospital, as we were wounded, which was obvious. We were soaked in blood. We were driven in the direction of Wola in a group with other passers-by, picking up still more on the way. At a certain spot the younger and older people in the group were separated. Young men and women were put on one side and then marched towards a house of execution. This was past Plocka Street in the direction of St. Stanislaus' Church. The remaining group (including myself and my companion) were driven to St. Stanislaus' Church. I saw heaps of corpses on the road and parts of bodies, and Poles carrying the bodies away under escort. German officers standing in front of the church laughed at us, and kicked and beat us. The church was overcrowded. People were being taken in and out. I was then so exhausted that they laid me with the other sick persons before the High Altar. There was no help. I only got a drop of water. After two days I was taken on a peasant's cart with the other sick and wounded to Pruszkow, and from there to Komorow, and then still further to Podkowa Lesna. It was only there, on August 11, that I got medical attention and help. On August 20 I gave birth to a little boy. I suppose I have lost, not only my three children, but also my husband, for he told me that he was going to stay in Warsaw to the end. I have no hope that he is still alive after all the dreadful things that happened.
The Germans were setting houses on fire; throwing people out; hunting and beating them. In the yard of the "Ursus" works people were shot by Vlassov's* men under the command of a German; they say he was from the SS. As far as I can judge, there must have been 5-7 thousand dead in the yard of this factory. About 200 people were driven there from our block alone, which had over 40 flats (with about 4 people in each), and all were killed.
Yes. It's Gazeta Gdanska. Sry."(From the GAZETA GDANSK on 9th October 1925)"
Yawn...try your Nazi lies somewhere else Kitsune the title isn't in Polish even.
Torquez wrote:
Just facts-Teutonic invasions, massacre of Gdansk in 1308, Partitions by Prussia, Just facts-Teutonic invasions, massacre of Gdansk in 1308, Partitions by Prussia, kulturampf and persecutions of Poles and so on...
Hah, got you. "Kulturampf" isn't even a German word. Try your Polish-extremist lies somewhere else.
It's like in Kindergarten. I am feeling young again.
"Tell my mother I died for my country. I did what I thought was best."
John Wilkes Booth
April 12, 1865
John Wilkes Booth
April 12, 1865
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Torquez
You did not provide a source.
And what you did was provide some newspapers, which exist in every country. While I provided statements of officials.
And what you did was provide some newspapers, which exist in every country. While I provided statements of officials.
I'm sure those stories of atrocities did make you "feel young again"....I am feeling young again.
Where do you want me to go Kitsune ? I guess gass chambers are your favourite options for Poles eh ? Or maybe keep it simple like Selbschutz did in 1939 and just a pit in the ground among with executed polish women and children ?Try your Polish-extremist lies somewhere else.
Atrocites, Holocaust, WW2, Persecution of Poles sure are German though."Kulturampf" isn't even a German word.
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I'm following Corderex's example in simply ignoring Torquez. His generalizations and consistent accusations of us being revisionists and neo-nazis are irritating, and him turning every thread into a "Germans are bloodthirsty devils" rant is irritating as well.
His manipulations of information is biased and the way he presents it is biased as well. I'm sure everyone here has seen him present the same quote a dozen times and throw long, rambling quotes that are entirely irrelevant. So, Torquez, I'll say the same thing as MH, stop beating a dead horse, and unless you have something to bring to the discussion, stop your ranting and behave like a mature person.
His manipulations of information is biased and the way he presents it is biased as well. I'm sure everyone here has seen him present the same quote a dozen times and throw long, rambling quotes that are entirely irrelevant. So, Torquez, I'll say the same thing as MH, stop beating a dead horse, and unless you have something to bring to the discussion, stop your ranting and behave like a mature person.
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Oh sure its biased.I'm sure the pregnant women being murdered by German noble knights in Warsaw was planning to invade Germany at any moment, as well as her evil barbaric polish children who had a couple of yearsHis manipulations of information is biased and the way he presents it is biased as well
Here even more brave German knightst stoping the evil hordes:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/e ... k_1939.jpg[/quote]
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A rare moment of honesty, even if if the author intended it as sarcasm. I understand your method now Torquez, if your arguments are blown apart or if someone simply disagrees with you, you immediately rush to post long posts about the war crimes commited by the Wehrmacht and all the other evil Germans, no matter how irrelevant it is. If anyone continues to post and disagree with you, you label the person as a neo-nazi or a revisionist. You choose to hide behind a shield no one would dare attack: the victims of the Wehrmacht and the Holocaust.Oh sure its biased.
Thankfully, I don't have to. Torquez, did you read the Content and Research Disclaimer on the front page?
Your posts are hateful and intolerant. You cannot seem to even grasp the concept that Germans are human beings who are just as normal as anyone else around the world. I am not attacking Poland or the victims of the Holocaust when I say stop making biased, hateful posts about Germany or anything else. You are stubborn and hard headed in this respect because no matter how many times facts and logic are presented, you immediately make generalizations about an entire nation and generation. You quote the same documents and statements so many times your posts all across this forum are similar in content and objective. Many times, the links that you provide simply don't work, and you don't even try to cut and paste, you just quote entire documents and expect us to make heads or tails of them. So, unless you have anything new to bring to the discussion, stop making biased and hateful posts.Feldgrau does not support in any way those who would condone or embrace individuals, groups and/or organizations that are intolerant, racist or violent. We do not support or endorse those that use the theme of WWII history to further their own political agenda.
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Hello,
I have to chime in that the origins of WWII ( In Europe ) was Hitler's aggressive disruption of the European balance of power was, at least, the immediate cause of the European half of WWII. I believe that the Versailles Treaty was a blatant attempt at neutralizing a renewed German military threat in the immediate post WWI Europe. As a result of the bitterness felt by the Germans, Hitler and the NSDAP was able to capitalize on it all the way into the Chancellor's office. As for the " stab-in-the-back ", General Ludendorff pretty much handed over power to the Socialists under Ebert, perhaps to intentionally lay the blame on the civilians for the military defeat and the acceptance of the Versailles Treaty.
Because of the taint of military defeat, economic chaos and acceptance of the Treaty, nobody except the Social Democrats and other dedicated democractic elements could get behind the Weimar Republic. It didn't help that right wing political groups pretty much undermined the democractic process in Germany, seeking some traditional, conservative form of government. I sometimes get the impression that the old Imperial officer corps were pretty much conservatives themselves and only backed the Weimar Republic because of pragmatic reasons. As I see it, Allied vindictiveness and fear, combined with economic troubles and a chaotic political/social scene by 1932, pretty much was ready made for a dictatorship like the NSDAP government to emerge.
Cordially,
Freiritter
I have to chime in that the origins of WWII ( In Europe ) was Hitler's aggressive disruption of the European balance of power was, at least, the immediate cause of the European half of WWII. I believe that the Versailles Treaty was a blatant attempt at neutralizing a renewed German military threat in the immediate post WWI Europe. As a result of the bitterness felt by the Germans, Hitler and the NSDAP was able to capitalize on it all the way into the Chancellor's office. As for the " stab-in-the-back ", General Ludendorff pretty much handed over power to the Socialists under Ebert, perhaps to intentionally lay the blame on the civilians for the military defeat and the acceptance of the Versailles Treaty.
Because of the taint of military defeat, economic chaos and acceptance of the Treaty, nobody except the Social Democrats and other dedicated democractic elements could get behind the Weimar Republic. It didn't help that right wing political groups pretty much undermined the democractic process in Germany, seeking some traditional, conservative form of government. I sometimes get the impression that the old Imperial officer corps were pretty much conservatives themselves and only backed the Weimar Republic because of pragmatic reasons. As I see it, Allied vindictiveness and fear, combined with economic troubles and a chaotic political/social scene by 1932, pretty much was ready made for a dictatorship like the NSDAP government to emerge.
Cordially,
Freiritter
Amateurs study tactics, professionals study logistics.
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Hello Freiritter,Freiritter wrote:Hello,
As I see it, Allied vindictiveness and fear, combined with economic troubles and a chaotic political/social scene by 1932, pretty much was ready made for a dictatorship like the NSDAP government to emerge.
Cordially,
Freiritter
That is exactly right and well put.
Cheers, Walter
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