Irving Gets Out

Dragunov · Post by **Dragunov** » Wed Dec 20, 2006 8:02 pm

uggh.... i hate holocaust deniers.

Paddy Keating · Post by **Paddy Keating** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:39 am

Whatever one thinks about Irving, locking people up for expressing opinions sets a dangerous precedent. After all, we live in a confederation of democracies here in Europe, don't we?

I gather that the Germans now want to lock people up for committing violent acts upon humanlike figures in video games. It would be funny were it not so alarming that we find ourselves ruled by such people in Europe today.

PK

Paulus II · Post by **Paulus II** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 4:25 am

uggh.... i hate holocaust deniers.

So do I but that doesn't mean people should be locked up under the pretense of "Law" for expressing their beliefs. It sets an ugly precedent. Who's next: deniers of the legality of the Irak War, Global Warming, Darwin's Theory, Genocide of the Armenians, the EU????

Cheers,

Paul

phylo_roadking · Post by **phylo_roadking** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:01 am

Who's next: deniers of the legality of the Irak War, Global Warming, Darwin's Theory, Genocide of the Armenians, the EU????

....who really perpetrated 9/11?

Rajin Cajun · Post by **Rajin Cajun** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:15 am

Walking your dog in the middle of the night through a lake during a Thunderstorm while wearing snorkeling gear?

Pirx · Post by **Pirx** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 2:23 pm

Paul.
If i express opinion in newspaper that You are thief, an you kill my neighbour, or i express "opinion" that your wife or girlfriend proposed sex for ten bucks you will say: That's your opinion, you are free to write book about that.?

Don't take it personaly, those are not my real opinions, just question.

krichter33 · Post by **krichter33** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:44 pm

Pirx, I might sue you for libel if you wrote those things, but you would not be put in prison for it. Is it that hard to understand? What happened to Europe being democratic. The fact that there are supposed free thinkers on this board that SUPPORT these fascist laws, just astounds me. Locking up deniers, who are "thought criminals," is undemocratic. I can't believe they actually have laws like this in Europe. It's disgusting. Fighting fascism wih fascism, how wonderful. I'm glad Irving is out, now they need to free Zundel and Rudolf! Orwell must be laughing.

Rajin Cajun · Post by **Rajin Cajun** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:47 pm

Pirx I don't see what your question has to do with locking a man up. Nobody deserves to be locked up for a opinion. If that were the case I should be in a prison for all the people I think should personally go jump off the nearest cliff. Present company excluded.

krichter33 · Post by **krichter33** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 3:58 pm

I think those in authority in these European countries need to take a second look at the UN Human Rights Declaration.

"Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."

Hans · Post by **Hans** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 5:43 pm

Klaus,

Words my friend, mere words. Don't mean a thing, never have, never will.

- Hans

Rand · Post by **Rand** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 6:49 pm

I'm sure Irving was upset that he missed the Holocaust denial conference in Iran.... Maybe next year.

phylo_roadking · Post by **phylo_roadking** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 7:03 pm

No, it won't be in Iran next year, that slot on the conference circuit will be taken up with one on "the Peaceful uses of Nuclear Power"!

Paddy Keating · Post by **Paddy Keating** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:10 pm

Rajin Cajun wrote:Walking your dog in the middle of the night through a lake during a Thunderstorm while wearing snorkeling gear?

You're a very bad man...and I look forward to sinking some beers with you.

P

Rajin Cajun · Post by **Rajin Cajun** » Thu Dec 21, 2006 8:11 pm

If they are holding it there where are they holding the "Jihadist Fanaticism and Coca-Cola: A Deadly Combination" Seminar? Perhaps they will try something comfy like Bonn?

PS. I look forward to it as well Paddy. We definitely need a Feldgrau Convention.

Pirx · Post by **Pirx** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:01 am

krichter33 wrote:"Article 19.
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."

Countries members of UN Human Rights Commision:
Saudi Ariabia, Argentina, Armenia, Australia, Bhutan, Brasil, Burkina Faso, China, Dominikana, Egipt, Equador, Erytrea, Etiopia, Finland, France, Gabon, Guatemala, Gwinea, Holand, Honduras, India, Indonesia, Ireland, Japan, Quatar, Canada, Kenia, Kongo, South Korea, Kostarika, Cuba, Malesia, Mauretania, Mexico, Nepal, Nigeria, Germany, Pakistan, Paraguay, Peru, Russia, South Africa, Romania, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Swaziland, Togo, Ukraina, Hungary, Italy, UK, USA and Zimbabwe

How many members of this commision respects Human Rights?

LoL